BM: It is our privilege today to introduce you to Dr. Winn
Henderson. He is a retired medical doctor who has a radio program
called "Share Your Mission," and also has written a book
that we’re looking at here today by the same title, "Share Your
Mission." Dr. Henderson, welcome to Life Quest.
WH: Bob, it’s great to be on your program today. I’ve
heard a of lot of fine things about your program and I’m sure that
you’re doing a lot of good for a lot of people in this world.
BM: We appreciate having you here. You actually live just a
few miles north of us here in the Knoxville area and for years, have
been a practicing physician here. Talk to us about your own personal
spiritual journey.
WH: Bob, like you said, I practiced for many years here in
Knoxville and at the end, was practicing addiction medicine. I found
that many of the people who came into my practice with complaints like
anxiety, depression, and other kinds of psychological symptoms wanted
a quick fix for their problem. They thought they would get it either
through psychotherapeutic counseling or medication.
I found out over the years that this didn’t work...... not the
secular type of counseling........ and that medication didn’t work
for solving any problems. It actually kept them from getting to the
basic cause of the problem and doing something about it. I found out
from talking to my patients that what we were dealing with was a
spiritual problem and not a problem that could be solved with drugs or
secular counseling.
BM: Dr. Henderson, did you grow up in a spiritual family?
WH: Yes. I was brought up in the Baptist church in Florida.
BM: I think a love for the Lord gives you a sense of
compassion, but sometimes I have found in various professions, we get
a little frustrated because many of the people that we work with, are
Christians yet have addiction problems.
WH: That’s true. Being a Christian per se, doesn’t
necessarily give you the information that you need in order to break
out of the problem that you have with compulsive, addictive behaviors
that aren’t doing you any good.
I wrote a book called "The Four Questions," that
addresses this problem, and I’d be happy to give a free copy to any
of your listeners that would like to read the book. We can talk about
that later.
There are four spiritual questions that one first needs to be able
to answer and then to be able to apply in order to be happy and
content in this life. They are: Who am I, Where did I come from, What
am I doing here, and Where am I going when I’m done? If you can
answer and apply these four questions, you no longer have a need for
alcohol or drugs, bad relationships, overeating, gambling, or any of
the 22 different addictive behaviors.
So that’s how I go about helping people. I help them find the
basic cause of why they’re unhappy and why they’re engaging in
these behaviors that aren’t doing them any good.
BM: Your book, "Share Your Mission," which are the
stories or the responses of people .....is really an outgrowth.......
WH: "Share Your Mission" is an outgrowth of “The
Four Questions" which is my basic primer on addictive and
compulsive type behaviors. "Share Your Mission" developed
from the third question: What am I doing here? This is the most
important question you can ask relating to whether you are happy with
your life.
I believe God has given each of us a mission to accomplish and that’s
why we were created. That’s my personal belief. I found that if one
can get in touch with what it is that God put him or her here to do
and then start doing it, they will be happy and won’t have any
problems with addictions. If for any reason they never gain the
understanding of what they were created for, or even if they do and
then don’t pursue it, they’ll never be happy.
BM: So one of the challenges that you face in working
with..... one of the things that you learn through addiction medicine
is that in people thinking about themselves and having a sense of
mission, or I guess a sense of lost ness that drives them to these
various kinds of addictive behaviors, and if somehow they can get a
sense of mission and purpose that they can be freed from their
addictions.
WH: Absolutely! That plus the fact that relationships are
also important. For example consider the first two questions: Who am
I, and Where did I come from? If you understand that you’re a child
of God and came from God, it makes you look at yourself differently
and value yourself differently than you would if you thought that you
were here merely as a result of, or the product of a union between
your mother and your father.
BM: I was trying to understand earlier because sometimes,
what we’re saying, if we say well, What am I doing here?........I
can be a completely secular person, no religious convictions, no
concept of the cross, no concept of God or God’s love for me, and
still have an answer for that.
But when you put the first two questions in there, Who am I ? and
Where did I come from?, those Christian roots begin to come into play
and make all the difference in the world.
WH: That’s right, the four question work together. In my
opinion, they’re the most four important questions that you’ll
ever ask yourself.
BM: OK. Now let’s take somebody that’s having struggles
with let’s say, alcohol. They are in a bar drinking. Are you
suggesting to sit down and start talking to them across the bar
counter about these questions?
WH: It’s never too early to talk to anybody about the
problem, regardless of where you find them. Sometimes they’re not
receptive and if they’re not receptive, you can’t do a whole lot,
but God sometimes allows us to sink into such low depths in our lives
that things are so uncomfortable and so painful that we’re willing
to do anything to stop the pain and suffering. Sometimes it’s only
at this point that one is willing to say, “I give up, I can’t do
it myself. I’m going to rely on God.” When someone gets to that
point, I have the answer for them.
BM: I’m looking at this as a question of reality. It’s
the core belief of who I am. That’s probably a struggle for a lot of
people.
WH: Yes, I’ve talked with a lot of people who haven’t
agreed with the answer that I found to be the one that ultimately
makes us the most fulfilled in this life and closes that empty hole
that you talked about.
BM: It’s like one theologian said, “There is a
God-shaped vacuum in each of us and until we allow God to fill it, we’re
going to be hungry. We’re going to be empty. We’re going to try to
seek to fill that void with something.” The idea you’re going with
here is to try to help people with that emptiness in a healthy way and
understand what they’re really hungering for.
WH: Exactly. I believe truth is what works and I know that
this works.
BM: We’re talking today to Dr. Winn Henderson about “Share
Your Mission.”
Dr. Henderson, we’ve been discussing the four vital important
questions: Who am I, Where did I come from, What am I doing here,
Where am I going when I’m done?
You’ve mentioned that people with addictive behaviors and
addictive thinking have problems with the third question, What am I
doing here? which seems to be the most difficult one to wrestle with.
How do we get other people and ourselves.....maybe I’m talking a
little more personally than just ‘‘those people out there.’’
How do we get to know the answer? How do we get to that point where it’s
not just head information..... something that I write down in a Day
Timer planning session.....but something I really am fully committed
to?
WH: I would say the answer to that question is that once you
have accepted the fact that God has created you for a special purpose,
and you would like to know what that purpose is, that you pray to have
it revealed to you. Then you meditate and wait for God to answer your
prayer.
Specifically, a question that you could ask and think about is, “If
I had no limitations in life, not educational, not financial, not
intellectual, not any kind of limitation, and if I didn’t care what
my parents thought, my children thought, my business associates or my
friends thought, what would I do with my life that would make it the
best I could do in service to others..... for love? What would I want
to have as a legacy, to be known for when I’m dead and gone? What
would make me the happiest as far as fulfilling that type of desire?
Then you wait and God will answer that question. He’ll put
something in your heart that will say, “This is what you ought to be
doing.” When you get that feeling, go with it! Actually you have no
limitations other than what you believe to limit yourself.
BM: If you take that seriously, it can be revolutionary and
really disruptive in a sense, can’t it?
WH: Yes, it would be. If everybody started thinking that
way, the whole world would change.
BM: Let me review this a little bit. I’m going to pray. I’m
going to wait, and I’d like to ask some questions. If I had no
limitations in life.....if I didn’t care what those significant
others in my life thought.....(Mom always wanted me to be a professor.
What should I do?) What kind of a legacy would I want to leave behind.
You’re really suggesting that God has wired each of us for a
purpose and if we ever discover how God has wired us, it becomes a
passionate driving force. It’s the thing that we will want to do.
So many of us think that, well, if I do what God wants me to do, I
won’t be happy. You’re suggesting that if I really understood how
I’m wired and why I was created that I will be happy, content,
joyous, and have peace of mind.
WH: That’s the only way you’ll be happy. It’s just the
opposite of what many people think.
BM: I suppose for many of us, that kind of changes the sense
of really trusting and waiting on God, because many of us have this
idea that God is really wanting us to get to the point where we will
allow Him to make us miserable.
WH: God wants us to be happy, not miserable. He wants us to
do all sorts of wonderful things. God knows that service to others is
the thing that elevates one’s self-esteem more than anything else
and it’s self-esteem, or lack of it, that causes people to look for
all these things in society [addictive behaviors] that distract them
from their purpose and make their lives miserable. So if you
understood the relationship that you have with God and what He wants
you to do with your life and you find out what that is, and you do it,
you’re going to be the happiest person on the planet.
BM: You’ll even walk around with a smile.
WH: Absolutely!
BM: Now talk to me for a little bit, in you own personal
journey......I suppose this dawned on you as you were working with
addictive medicine patients?
WH: Yes. There was an epiphany for me in the 1990. At that
time, I decided that conventional medicine wasn’t getting it, giving
people pills and trying to counsel them secularly like psychiatrists
and psychologists do wasn’t getting the job done.
When I finally asked God for the answer to the problem, He gave it
to me in a dream vision resulting in the first book called "The
Cure of Addiction," and as a result of that, I’ve been on this
quest. I’ve been passionately living my mission, and I’ve
dedicated my whole life toward trying to promote this message, because
I feel that’s what God wants me to do with my life.
My mission is to help other people find theirs. Most all my time is
devoted to this calling, and I’m one of the happiest persons on the
planet. I never get depressed about anything. Every day I’m grateful
to be alive and to be able to make another step of progress toward
achieving my goal.
I think that everybody’s going to do it differently, and
everybody’s going to have different things that they feel that like
God is wanting them to do with their lives, but it doesn’t really
make any difference what you feel your mission is, as long as you’re
doing what you think God created you for.......you’re going to be a
happy, contented person.
BM: Now a person can do this while still maintaining their
present job, their present…….
WH: Sure! You might have a lofty goal, a desire or something
that is going to take you 20 or 30 years to accomplish, and you may
have to do a menial job in the meantime just to be able to survive
through this 20 year period. It makes any job easier to do if you’re
pointed toward something that you feel passionate about.....something
you can get involved in and you feel it is your purpose.
BM: One of the things that I like about what you’re saying
here, and I think it’s a key difference between being called and
being driven. I’ve known people that were passionate and driven and
just not having fun. I guess you would classify them as workaholics.
They became addicted to their work. Here you’re talking about
something that comes from the inside. What am I doing here? What is my
life’s purpose? .........and it’s more of a sense of calling. This
is the way I’m wired. It seems like it would be a more joyful
journey than someone who is driven, where the person just has to
achieve this or that.
WH: All of the people that I have been able to counsel over
the years who have accepted this philosophy and have applied it are
joyful people now.
BM: I wanted to remind our folks that if you know someone
that is looking for a greater purpose in life, if you know someone who
has addictions of some sort, you might want to take Dr. Henderson up
on his offer.
If you give us a call at 1-877-787-3127, you’ll get a copy.....a
free copy of his book, "The Four Questions." Dr. Henderson,
you also have a web site.
WH: Yes. Go to www.theultimatesecrettohappiness.com.
If they would like to call me, my toll-free number is 877-787-3127.
They could E-mail a request for the book at: I’d be happy to E-mail
them a free copy of my book, “The Four Questions: A Spiritual Guide
to Happiness”. It won’t cost anything.
BM: Good! In your book "Share Your Mission," you
have a number of people I suppose, that you’ve interviewed and who
are living this out. Is that correct?
WH: Yes. We have celebrities, people you recognize every
day, as well as people you have never heard about. Some of the people
that I’ve had on the program are John Gray [“Men are from Mars,
Women are from Venus”], Steve Allen [the comedian and renaissance
man], Mark Victory Hanson and Jack Canfield [editors and co-authors of
“Chicken Soup for the Soul”], Jayne Meadows, Michael Landon’s
daughter, Cheryl, Father Girzone [who wrote some great books
concerning Joshua], Ken Norton the boxer, Peter Lowe, [who had the
biggest Christian business seminar in the world in 2000], Bernie
Siegel
[retired physician and author], Harvey McKay [author and business
speaker of the first order], Paul J. Meyer [founded and developed
Success Motivational Institute and a Christian philanthropist], Patch
Adams [who set up a free medical clinic up in the hills of Appalachia,
....... just a whole bunch of people.
What I’ve found when talking to them, is if they don’t have a
purpose in life, if they don’t have a mission, even if they are a
celebrity.....even if they are rich....... they’ve got a miserable
life. They’ve got problems. We could talk about that if you wanted
to..... or the other way..... if they do have this philosophy, how
easy their life is and how happy they are.
BM: We’re talking with Dr. Winn Henderson, author of the
book "Share Your Mission" and also "The Four
Questions."
The challenge that all of us face.....addictive behaviors.....all
kinds of things really at the core, Dr. Henderson is saying is a
spiritual problem. Understanding who we are, why we’re here, where
we’ve come from and where we’re going when we die is the key to
breaking the spell of addictions.
Dr. Henderson, you’re suggesting that there are a lot of people
who are going through life putting in 20, 30, 40 years at work who
never really have recognized their mission.
WH: That’s exactly true. If you just think about it and
start asking questions like I have.....you ask somebody, “Why were
you created?” The majority of them give you a blank stare. They don’t
have a clue.
BM: Some of them might come back and say, “Well I wasn’t
created, I evolved.” However that’s kind of empty, the
evolutionary concept that you came from an amoeba and you’re going
nowhere.
WH: We have a dual heritage. We’re not only physical
creations but we’re spiritual beings too, and just like when your
mother and father got together and formed a zygote and from that cell
every subsequent cell in your body developed, you have a spiritual
heritage that came from God and you have characteristics from God
spiritually. So there is a dual heritage in each individual. You can
see the one that’s physical, but you can’t see the spiritual one.
However it’s just as real.
BM: Dr. Henderson, the sense of mission.....the sense of
calling.....are there other things that a person can do besides just
asking the question: What am I doing here? I ask this because some of
us will say, “Well, I’m not doing much. My feet aren’t stuck in
the mud, but I am. I can’t even see my way out.”
It took me a long time to realize.......I knew in high school that
I wouldn’t be a farmer. I just couldn’t enjoy sitting on a tractor
driving in circles all day. Some people love that. There were certain
things that if I would have just paid attention to that I could have
known about myself, if I had asked certain questions like: Am I a
people person? Am I a project kind of person?.....just observing what
you do that does make you happy, that does give you a sense of
fulfillment, and what you’re involved in that really is frustrating
to you. Those should be clues as to the way that God has wired you.
WH: Yes. We each have a purpose and that purpose can change.
It doesn’t have to stay the same forever. God will let you know what
your purpose is if you’ll ask Him and if you’ll be receptive to
the answer.
BM: Dr. Henderson, are you finding that there are people
that are religious, have been religious all their life, but they still
don’t have this sense of a God directed purpose?
WH: Absolutely. I see in the church, addictions, not the
same kind of addictions in the same percentages as in the secular
community, but addictions with things like negative thinking for
example.
BM: Don’t start meddling now. Some of us call that
reality.
WH: God wants you to be the most creative that you possibly
can, have the best attitude, be the most optimistic, look forward to
the best in everything.
BM: All right. Keep preaching now. I think somebody’s
listening here. But don’t you think that this is something, what you’re
talking about, these four questions, this book that you wrote, isn’t
this really something that should be incorporated in shepherding the
message of pastors everywhere?
WH: Yes, I believe so. I think that every church should be
talking to their people about these four important spiritual
questions, and if you think about it, quite often you’ll realize
that these questions never come up, at least that directly.
BM: We are willing to discuss points of theology and other
things, yet here’s a fundamental concept that can make a difference
in your life’s satisfaction and your understanding of God’s will.
This gets down to some of our basic beliefs about God, about
ourselves, and about life itself.
Doctor, some of the people that you interviewed I’ve listened to
for a long, long time like Dennis Waitley and others. How many years
have you been interviewing people?
WH: I’m into my sixth year and have interviewed for the
radio program, over 340 different people.
You mentioned Dr. Waitley. I remember a story he told me. He was on
his way to a speech in Chicago on an American Airlines flight. He got
up to the gate, but they had just closed the door. He was a little
late and he said, “Put me on the plane, put me on the plane, I’m
Dr. Dennis Waitley.” The gate attendant said, “I’m sorry, we can’t
put you on the plane. Our policy says, once the door is shut nobody
gets on the plane.”
He started ranting and raving, was really possessed of himself and
his ego, and he thought that he could bully his way in, but they still
wouldn’t let him on the plane. So he turned around and stormed out
of the terminal, got in his car, and started back to his house. An
announcement came over the radio, “Flight 191 out of Chicago has
just crashed and all people aboard were killed.”
He told me that was a turning point in his life. He learned
something from that experience that changed his life forever.
BM: We’re talking to Dr. Winn Henderson about your
mission. Your mission in life can change your life. We’re talking to
the doctor about the importance, the vital importance of having a
sense of mission in your life.
The title of the book that I’m looking at here is “Share Your
Mission.” You can get a free copy of “The Four Questions: A
Spiritual Guide to Happiness” by sending an E-mail to: drhenderson7@mchsi.com.
If someone just needs to talk to somebody about the program Dr.
Henderson has given a number here. It’s a toll-free number. He said
you can have a free consultation. That’s 1-877-787-3127. His web
site is: www.theultimatesecrettohappiness.com.
Dr. Henderson, you know if you talk to various people, you
mentioned the story of Dr. Dennis Waitley and others, as you have
interviewed many of these people and of course, you still work with
people that are confused and lost about their life and are crawling
into chemicals and all kinds of different kinds of behaviors and
addictions and things.
Have some of the people that you’ve interviewed, sometimes we
think these people that are motivational speakers and whatever, that
they’ve just always had their life together. Have some of these
people had a difficult row to hoe and been able to walk through those
valleys of doubt without beating themselves up with negative self talk
and so on?
WH: Yes, some of them have and some of them haven’t made it yet.
For example, and I don’t think that he would care for me telling
this because he wants to change but he hasn’t been able to yet, but
Larry King, who is a very well known interviewer who has done over
40,000 interviews has a problem with question number four, Where am I
going when I’m done?
Larry is agnostic and doesn’t know that when he dies he’s going
home to God. Every morning his greatest fear is that he’s going to
die that day, and he doesn’t know what’s going to happen to his
soul. This fear controls his life. He can’t be a really happy
individual because of that ongoing fear.
Each of the people that I interview either have now or have in the
past, not been able to answer one or more of those four questions, and
a result of that, they have not been able yet to have a happy,
successful, satisfying life.
BM: Those four questions seem to be pretty vital. They don’t seem
to be....... they are. When we stop and think about the reality of it,
I suppose many of us as Christians, could give a trite answer to it.
But you’re talking about wanting us to go down deep inside and
really believe this. There’s a difference between giving a trite
answer, the right answer, what we think you want to hear, versus what
I really deep down inside believe.
WH: You remember Jesus was about believing. He said if you believe
enough, you can move mountains. Figuratively, literally speaking,
whatever, it’s the belief that’s important. There’s a way of
believing it in your head intellectually, and then there’s a way of
believing it with every cell in your body, in your heart. If you
really believe something, then you’re going to do it. If you’re
going to do it, it’s going to be transformational in your life. You’re
going to change forever.
BM: The vital role of Christ in the context of these questions, Who
am I, Where did I come from, What am I doing here, and Where am I
going when I’m done, makes all the difference in the world, doesn’t
it?
WH: It sure does. You remember when Jesus was talking to a group of
common people, He started His prayer with, “Our Father,” He didn’t
say, “My Father.” He said, “Our Father,” which indicates to me
that He believed that the spiritual Father of all of us is the same,
that every individual out there on the planet was like He was to God.
If we know that God is our Father, that’s such a valuable
relationship to understand. If you really believe that in your heart,
you can’t do things to yourself any longer that are going to hurt
yourself. I remember before I had this experience and was transformed
myself, I’d just get in my little sports car and drive down the road
and not think about it.
Afterwards, as a result of learning and understanding the answer to
the first question, Who am I?........which is that I’m a child of
God, I couldn’t get into that car any longer and go down the road
without putting on my seat belt. It was absolutely necessary because I
knew how valuable I was because of that relationship.
BM: You’ve titled this book and your radio program as well,
"Share Your Mission." Why did you add the word ‘‘share’’
on the front of it?
WH: I wanted these people to share their mission with the world.
The majority of them have a mission and I wanted to give the world a
positive example of how having this mission has kept them from being
distracted by the things in society that distract people who don’t
have a mission.
Whether we’re talking about alcohol, drugs, tobacco, pain pills,
tranquilizers, shoplifting, over-eating, under-eating, criminal
behavior, workaholism, pursuit of power, greed, sexual problems, and
like I said, negative thinking. There’s a whole list of things that
will pull you away from a goal, from a path, a higher path that God
wants you to be on.
BM: Isn’t it true that this “pulling away” sometimes results
from other people’s input who don’t understand your goal?
WH: That’s right because other people will pull you away and will
give you every reason in the world why you shouldn’t be trying to do
what it is that you feel like you should be doing There’s any number
of reasons for that including their own addiction.
BM: Sometimes our lower nature, as Paul described it, our passions,
the desires, the things that the world wants to feed on, tend to
distract us and pull us from our mission. So we’re caught in a kind
of struggle. I think a lot of us flounder around because it’s not
clear why we’re here and what God’s purpose is for us, what we’re
wired for, what our life mission is. Yet you’re suggesting that God
has a life mission for every one of us.
WH: That’s right. We’re each unique, special, and different
from every other person that was ever created. We have different
talents and different abilities and we have different missions.
BM: How do we decide what is our mission? People are funny. They
can get all kinds of ideas, some of which may be goofy. I have a one
woman in one of my churches who said she wanted to be the church
organist. Unfortunately she couldn’t play the organ and couldn’t
carry a tune in a bucket. Some people want to do this, they want to do
that, they have a vision, and yet you wonder if they have any talent.
WH: You don’t necessarily have to have talent. I’ve done a lot
of things in my life that I didn’t have any training for, nor did I
go to school for, but I was able to do them anyway starting from
ground zero.
It’s a matter of whether or not you truly believe that this is
what God wants you to do and you’re willing to do whatever it takes
in order to learn or get the experience or make the commitment to do
it. If you have that stick-to-it-ness, that you say, “I don’t
care, I’m going to do it, and I’m going to do it until I get good
enough at it, even if it takes me the rest of my life.” Then you’re
going to be happy. That lady could have been the organist. She didn’t
have to have talent or carry a tune. If she really believed in her
heart enough, Jesus said anything is possible.
BM: You mentioned a couple of attitudes here that I think are so
vital in this pursuit of our mission in the sense of being a learner
and this element of being committed to it. However it may take some
time.
WH: It could take you the rest of your life, or you may have your
life cut short, and you don’t quite get there, but if you’ve been
working on it the whole time, you have a chance, and you’re happy in
pursuing your goal. If you had said, “Well I can’t do it, I’m
limited,” and you never made the first step, then you have no
chance.
BM: I read an interesting story last evening about this classroom
that they had a burial service for “I can’t.’’ His brothers,
‘‘I can’’ and ‘‘I will’’ and ‘‘I’ll try’’
were around their brother when he was buried. The words ‘‘I can’t’’
are so limiting to us.
You’re challenging us, from what I’m hearing here, and whether
we have addictive behaviors or we’re just kind of floundering around
or don’t have a deep sense of mission, there are a lot of things by
God’s grace, that we can do.....kind of like Paul says, “I can do
all things through Christ who strengthens me.” If we know that this
is what God wants us to do and zero in on it, there’s all kinds of
energy and ability are available to us.
WH: Absolutely!
BM: Dr. Henderson, thank you so much for being with us today.
WH: I’ve enjoyed it. It’s been nice to talk with you.